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Other Bars & Rounds

Welcome to the All Engelhard page for counterfeit bars and rounds.  There have been a number of plated bars and rounds offered on eBay for several years now, and it is our goal to educate collectors, so that they may spot suspect bars and protect themselves.  Despite several aggressive campaigns to have these listings removed, eBay has failed the collector community by not taking necessary action to keep the marketplace safe and protect its members.  As a courtesy, we are also including counterfeit Johnson Matthey examples to keep the collector community further informed.

We encourage collectors to review the silver-plated bars and rounds offered on the AliExpress retail website as it offers a great opportunity to become familiar with many of these pieces.  We believe that eBay sellers are sourcing these counterfeit bars and rounds from the AliExpress website, or a similar retailer, and representing them as genuine when they re-list them on eBay.  

This page also offers Auction Archive links, when available, for further insight on these suspect pieces.  All Engelhard is not in a position to provide an opinion as to the character or intent of any buyers or sellers associated with these Auction Archive links.  Again, we will allow the community to draw its own conclusion.

We encourage collectors to contact us, at anytime, with new examples of suspicious listings or additional information regarding the examples presented.  This is a living registry page, and will be reviewed and updated at the sole discretion of All Engelhard.

You may reach us at allengelhard@gmail.com at any time.

NOTE:  eBay has repeatedly failed its community by refusing any action to eliminate these counterfeit pieces from their marketplace.  There are many collectors that have exhausted efforts to report counterfeit pieces to eBay and eBay has taken no action.  eBay has demonstrated a complete disregard for the protection of their members and have failed their responsibility to the collector community.  Why do they claim to have a ‘fraud department’ and continue offering the option to ‘report’ items?

10oz Ingots and Commercial Bars | Counterfeit Examples

 
Image Description Commentary eBay Seller ID Internet Archive
10oz Counterfeit Obverse10oz Counterfeit Reverse10oz Counterfeit Scale 10oz Engelhard P Series Ingot This counterfeit exampled was observed on eBay auction July 11, 2014 and subsequently removed by the seller after members of the collector community expressed concerns of authenticity.  This example is the first we have observed of this variety and is a relatively miserable reproduction attempt.  The bar appears to be fabricated of a base metal and does not appear to be silver.  The overall shape of the ingot appears correct though the reverse demonstrates a poured method of production whereas genuine examples of this variety have a flat, machined finish.  The font and hallmark are very poorly produced as is the casting edge along the perimeter of the obverse.  Further, the example weighs a full 1/2oz over proper weight as can be seen in the seller picture.  All Engelhard does not believe this seller, easypawnshop, was aware that this example was counterfeit, and, it must be noted, that this seller promptly removed the listing after suspicions were brought to attention. easypawnshop
Auction Archive

Auction Archive

Screen Shot 2014-04-15 at 10.07.51 AM 1oz Toronto Dominion Bank
Believed to be a silver plated brass, non magnetic example.  Lack of serial number is the most noticeable indicator that it is counterfeit.  Other giveaways include the raised ‘ASSAY & REFINING’ font below the hallmark and font differences found on the reverse TD BANK logo.
gabegoldman1991
Auction Archive

Auction Archive

Free-Shipping-5pcs-lot-Non-Magnetic-Clad-Silver-Engelhard-Maple-Leaf-Bars-TD-Bank-Bar-Rare 1oz Toronto Dominion Bank
Believed to be a similar example to the above.  Silver plated brass, non magnetic example, and represented as such by seller, AliExpress.
AliExpress
Auction Archive

Sales Archive

5pcs-lot-Free-shipping-Engelhard-bullion-bar-Free-shipping-1-troy-oz-brass-silver-plated-bullion 1oz Engelhard Commercial Bar Silver plated brass, non-magnetic bar, represented as such by seller, AliExpress. AliExpress
Auction Archive

Sales Archive

Screen Shot 2014-04-15 at 10.51.27 AM 1oz Johnson Matthey Bar   Zinc-Alloy silver plated non-magnetic bar.  This eBay seller has changed user name from amolamanera99 and is located in Great Britain.  In a period of ninety days, this seller managed to get away with selling fifty nine JM 1 oz bars for a total price $1650 and during the same time he sold a total of sixty three Engelhard 10 oz bars for a total of $16,380 with a grand total of $18,030.  eBay failed to eliminate this fraud after having been noticed in detail by several members. bensonsemporium1517
Auction Archive

Auction Archive

Screen Shot 2014-04-17 at 10.29.49 PM 10oz Engelhard Commercial Bar  Zinc-Alloy silver plated non-magnetic bar.  This eBay seller has changed user name from amolamanera99 and is located in Great Britain.  In a period of ninety days, this seller managed to get away with selling fifty nine JM 1 oz bars for a total price $1650 and during the same time he sold a total of sixty three Engelhard 10 oz bars for a total of $16,380 with a grand total of $18,030.  eBay failed to eliminate this fraud after having been noticed in detail by several members. bensonsemporium1517
Auction Archive

Auction Archive

Screen Shot 2014-04-15 at 11.06.13 AM 10oz Engelhard Commercial Bar  Believed to be a silver clad/mils example.  Very poor serial number application applied by what appears to have been an engraving pen.  This seller has refused to pull counterfeit listings after repeated attempts by several members of the collector community. uncle-mike
Auction Archive

Auction Archive

10-ounce-zinc-alloy-plated-999-fine-silver-clad-engelhard-metal-bullion-bars-wholesale-5pcs-lot 10oz Engelhard Commercial Bar Zinc-Alloy silver plated non-magnetic bar, represented as such by seller, AliExpress. AliExpress 
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Sales Archive

American Prospectors | JM Freedom Rounds | Counterfeit Examples

Image Description Commentary Seller Internet Archive
Screen Shot 2014-04-15 at 5.45.41 PM 1oz American Prospector Proof-like American Prospector Round.  Silver plated and non-magnetic, represented as such by seller, anabeta86. anabeta86
Auction Archive

Auction Archive

Engelhard-silver-coins-free-shipping-hot-sale-5pcs-lot-one-troy-ounce-1-oz-silver-bullion 1oz American Prospector Proof-like American Prospector Round.  Silver plated and non-magnetic, represented as such by seller, AliExpress. AliExpress
Auction Archive

Sales Archive

1984-Engelhard-Prospector-1-oz-troy-999-fine-silver-Very-NICE-coins-no-scratch-500pcs-lot 1oz American Prospector Proof-like American Prospector Round.  Silver plated and non-magnetic, represented as such by seller, AliExpress. AliExpress 
Auction Archive

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20pcs-lot-free-shipping-USA-1984-American-prospector-bullion-engelhard-style-design-one-troy-ounce-silver 1oz American Prospector Proof-like American Prospector Round.  Silver plated and non-magnetic, represented as such by seller, AliExpress. AliExpress
Auction Archive

Sales Archive

Screen Shot 2014-04-15 at 6.00.41 PM 1oz Johnson Matthey ‘Freedom’ Round Proof-like Johnson Matthey ‘Freedom’ round.  Silver plated brass, non-magnetic round, represented as such by seller, AliExpress. AliExpress
Auction Archive

Sales Archive